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Marijuana?
It should be illigal.
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It should be legal.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You got to understand that every drug has its risk. Those risk should be taken into account when you choose to do a drug. Of pay the price 'nuff said
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: Marijuana Legalization Reply with quote
Fine_Rabid_Dog wrote:
Pyth wrote:
You see, unlike most other drugs, marijuana does NOT make you go insane, whatever some government media thing might make you believe. I've known marijuana users-- They haven't killed me or harmed me (even if I found them high). And I ask you to find evidence they do go insane. At all.


Nope... sorry pal. Wrong. Certain strains of dope, like the most popular/common type "skunk", have been proven to cause pyschosis in those more subceptable to mental illness (if it runs in the family, already depressed etc).

The brain reacts to the altered state its in. The results aren't always positive. Well, as positive as "Whoah dude! I'm like... totally stoned" can get...

Pyth wrote:
I don't smoke the stuff. I personally feel no need to get a high. But it has no adverse effects-- nobody, yes NOBODY has died becuase of marijuana overdose. It's not toxic enough. As such, there's NO reason to keep it out of people's hands. And making it illegal? Well, it isn't working.


I can't help but agree there. Nobody has died. But I know a few people that have gotten themselves sick on the stuff. Bad trips and all that. Yadda yadda.

Pyth wrote:
Did I mention medical use? It relives nausea and pain, and brings back appetite. Again, I haven't used it, but people SHOULD be able to! It's FREEDOM OF CHOICE. If we have freedom of speech, why not choice? As long as that choice harms nobody else, then it shoule be legal.


I don't believe dope should be used as medicine. Its a stupid idea. The healing procecss is the health of both body and mind. A mind altering substance is going to keep the brain in an un-optimum state. Plus smoking the stuff wjhilst ill is going to slow the healing process down as well. THe smoke kills whit bacteria, and all that jazz, which balls the whole process up.

Pyth wrote:
So, as an end to this post, I'd liek to demand to be conviced that:

1. Marijuana is bad for you

2. That it makes you insane

3. THat it should not be legalized.

Thanks for your time and no offense meant.


1. Dope is bad for you. Pyschosis and lung cancer, Joy!

2.Insane is a cliched, overused, american propaganda word. Dope won't make you froth at the mouth, but there's a chance you could become a tad... unhinged.

3. Legality is a toughy. On the one hand, becuase its no longer the "forbidden fruit" people might stop being tempted. And it'll ower the prices. But on the other hand, if it becomes easier to get, those who are depressed, who've had abusive childhoods... what if they get it? If they become mentally ill, is legality worth it?


Street dope, suck as what you cal lskunk, wouldn't be around as it'd be lega land regulated.

As for healing, it does stuff like eliminate nausea and vomiting. It doesn't heal wounds.

And nobody has ever died of cannabis.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
danny12 wrote:
ANY type of illegal drugs are bad it dosn't matter if they make you go crazy or not. Being high may not be the worst thing but it's like being drunk you have no control of yourself


Nope. I don't agree their either.

You're right about being drunk. There's no control. But with dope. Their is. You're completley in your head. You jsut feel totally mellow and tingly. That's as far as it goes.

FFFanatix wrote:
Yes but tobacco is worse than marijuana. I don't do it but would you rather have a drug that gets you high and has some medicinol qualities or a drug that causes cancer and shortens your life?


I totally agree there! Which is why I no longer mix the two together. I just take dope straight. Its probably much better for you than mixing it all up.

Pyth wrote:
FFfanaticx wrote:
marijuana does cause shrotness of life the program i watched was not crap it was ascientific study into the effects of drugs.


Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but government backed, I suppose?


The government holds no sway over our TV here. Hooray!

Pyth wrote:
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First of all, it is not good because you are not who you really are, you could go kill somoene because you are high.

Secondly it can and has been proven to lead to more seroius drugs.

Finally, I would really not want it to be legalized so people could get it more easily then the majority of the world would be potheads.......bad.


1st. High means "happy". Not "insane". The idea the idea that potheads are all murderers is a stereotype and a wrong one at. I KNOW potheads. And none have ever harmed me. Heck I've found them high, no harm's been done to me.


I agree their. Pot does nothing to make someone violent. At all. Not a thing. This is a steretype that has been drilled into your minds in order to scare you away from drug culture.

Pyth wrote:
2nd. Fliipin' lie. Seriously, there's no proof to suggest that.


It has been assumed that dope is a "Doorway drug". Mostly becuase if you hang out with stoners, chnaces are, someones going to be doing something harder, and pass it around. I've been offered lines of coke, extasy blah blah blah... But I didn't take 'em. So its just down to the type of person.



Pyth wrote:
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ANY type of illegal drugs are bad it dosn't matter if they make you go crazy or not. Being high may not be the worst thing but it's like being drunk you have no control of yourself


Wrong. OK, I admit it, high makes yo uall happy and all. But why allow people to drive on tobacco but not on marijuana? You DO haver control of youself while high.


Erm.... That's dumb Pyth. Driving with a mind altering substance? Dumb dumb dumb. I know for a fact that if I got behind the wheel of a car, my chances of crashing would be much higher. Dope affects your judgement, and your confidence. DUI is dumb as anything else.

As for driving with tobacco? What the hell? Tobacco doesn't affect you *at all*, nor does it impare your judgement... so that's a pretty lame comparison...

[quote:"Pyth"]Street dope, suck as what you cal lskunk, wouldn't be around as it'd be lega land regulated. [/quote]

I don't agree. Just like every thing out there, there'll be different brands of dope. Skunk will almost certainly be one of 'em. 'cos the buzz it gives is wicked, a nd a lot of people, myself included, enjoy it.

And if the government was to legalise, but removed skunk, I wouldn't support the movement. It should all be legal, or not at all.

And street dope? Balls to that... all dope is street dope. Skunk, hash, grass.... the whole lot... they're just different strains, with different effects. "Street Dope" is a useless phrase.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
from my reasearch a while back a lot of drugs such as pot and marijuana only damage your health when mixed with tobaco but that what people do so therefore it becomes dangerous
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ANY type of illegal drugs are bad it dosn't matter if they make you go crazy or not. Being high may not be the worst thing but it's like being drunk you have no control of yourself


Nope. I don't agree their either.

You're right about being drunk. There's no control. But with dope. Their is. You're completley in your head. You jsut feel totally mellow and tingly. That's as far as it goes.[/quote]

Then why is it banned? There must be something about it that is harmful
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
danny12 wrote:
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ANY type of illegal drugs are bad it dosn't matter if they make you go crazy or not. Being high may not be the worst thing but it's like being drunk you have no control of yourself


Nope. I don't agree their either.

You're right about being drunk. There's no control. But with dope. Their is. You're completley in your head. You jsut feel totally mellow and tingly. That's as far as it goes.


Then why is it banned? There must be something about it that is harmful[/quote]

Well it can be harmeful, but that cant be the only reason they have it illegal. Alchohol is harmeful, so is ciggarettes.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes but only if you abuse them to the extreme and they are'nt as lethal
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FFfanaticx wrote:
yes but only if you abuse them to the extreme and they are'nt as lethal


as what? Marajuana?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let's put it this way... if more than half the people inthe world started useing pot.... good bye world.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rickjames wrote:
Let's put it this way... if more than half the people inthe world started useing pot.... good bye world.


why would that be, alchohol is avalable just about everywhere in the world. Just because it avalible doesnt drive everyone to go get drunk...

its like saying (based on the knowledge that eating at McDonalds too much makes you fat) That if McDonalds was allowed half the people would go get fat. yea right.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Because alcohol isn't as addictive.... you can drink alcohol whenever you want and MOST people can stop drinking it whenever they want. It's harder to stop with pot.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you start doing pot you completely depend on it... you feel as though you are depressed and can't stay without it until you completely stop doing it, if you ever do, and then you feel a sense of freedom and pride in yourself.

And Frd don't tell me "I can stop whenever I want to, I just dont want to" because that's what they all say and you couldn't stop. Not wanting to stop means that you cant stop because you are dependant on it... God I hate when people say that.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rickjames wrote:
Because alcohol isn't as addictive.... you can drink alcohol whenever you want and MOST people can stop drinking it whenever they want. It's harder to stop with pot.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you start doing pot you completely depend on it... you feel as though you are depressed and can't stay without it until you completely stop doing it, if you ever do, and then you feel a sense of freedom and pride in yourself.


woa woa woa, alchoholics cant stop drinking because theyre addicted, and alchohol is legal and makes you drunk, which is IMO worse than high. like i said just because its avalible doesnt drive you to use it so excessivly what you can get addicted. ive tried pot a few times, but im not addicted, i dont have urges

And you only become addicted if you do it too much, I mentioned in an erlier post how addiction works. Sure theres a sense of pride and freedom when you stop an addiction, All addictions are unhealthy and create sacrifice, like im addicted to WoW, and I have to resist raiding nightly, because its always on my mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yea, but you have to admit that it is easier to become dependant on pot then it is on alchohol.. I don't see many people addicted to alcohol and that's not because it is not illegal, that's because of the nature of the substance.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Listen to Vahn, he knows his err...shit O.o
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well ive never been addicted to either, so I wouldnt know 100%, but I know pot isnt as addictive as crack or heroin. Unless you have proof that pot is more addictave than alchohol, your not 100% either

Maybe its the nature that pot is illegal that drives people to do it an be rebellious to the governement, which causes them to overdo it. Theoretically, raise a kid in an enviornment where pot is avalible and legal and something that some people do, mabye itll be like how alchohol is in our society. People KNOW, that alchohol is dangerous. People KNOW pot is dangerous. But it should be ones choice to make that decission in this "free country".
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