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Hockeydude121
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how does that controdict him?

and to answer ur question wolverine, i believe he does
go to church but hes more agnostic than anything....

basically, he doesnt know which religion to choose.

Im open to any religion but to b honest, at the moment,

im atheist
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with snort it because evolution could not have made the first and smallest part of matter in the universe. THere had to be a starting point. THe first atom ever to exist. What could it have come from. Not evolution. THere had to be someting else....God.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup i donnot belive in evolution
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then throws up the question. Where did God come from? Did he just appear all of a sudden. If God can appear out of no where why can't an atom?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holymonkey wrote:
But then throws up the question. Where did God come from? Did he just appear all of a sudden. If God can appear out of no where why can't an atom?


Because they are of different properties, God is in heaven, something we can not fathom at the moment, and earth is but a mear portion of your life made for the devil and Gods bet.

So whilst God is a spirit not a physical propertie and atom is, and we all know things that are physical don't just excist as Rick said.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah he is in heaven
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'm not really Christan. My parents force me to attend a Protestant Chruch, and techinally I'm confirmed, but no. I'm more of an Agnostic. I'm still looking for the religion that makes the most sense to me. And believe me, Christanty is definantely NOT it.........

And the Da Vinci Code may be science fiction, but much of what it says it true. It is labled Fiction because the plot itself isn't based on true events. But it is based on many true ideas. I don't know whether I believe in the whole Mary Magdalin(sp) thing, but the fact that the Church has covered things up in the past for their own gain is undeniable. And with these other Gospels that were found that are dated from the same time period, same place, same almost anything, and they didn't manage to get into the Bible? Does that not sound like they left them out for their own gain? And how do people know that they didn't change the Bible to meet their own means while translating. I just have too much doubt about the Christan beliefs to even come close to believeing.

I think that if there is a god, he simpy was the big bang. Everything happened on its own, evolution did happen. But maybe it(being a god of some sort) kinda shot the first shot. You see what I mean? That there is a god, but the whole creationism thing.......BS if you ask me.

There are just too many questions that remain unanwsered. And I'm not saying I'm right, just bringing up points that keep me from choosing a Religion. Or to believe in or not to believe in a god of some sort.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snort It wrote:
danny12 wrote:
Well it states in the bible that when God found the earth it was just a blank bit of rock with darkness and the sea. In theory BOTH God and the Big Bang could have happened.

The Big Bang put that "rock" there and God fixed it. Simple eh?


No, if you read the bible it also states God created the trees, and the moon, animals ect. ect.


That's erm.... that's pretty much what he meant...

I have a theory. Let's call it "The Theory of Reasonability"

The way I see it, there are three types of belief.

There's reasonable belief. For exampole, it is reasonable for me to believe in Japan, that it exists. I've never been there, I've never seen it. But I go to resturants that sell its food, and I have met people that are native to it.

Then there's medium reasonability. A complete slit down the middle, a 50/50 of believers.

Then there's little to no reasonability. Say, the belief in faeries at the bottom of your garden.

Question is, where does God fit in?

Me, I reckon he fits into the last one. I've seen no evidence of God, no trace, nothing.

(You're going to totally hate this next theory... me, I love it... I think its brilliance)

I went to a philosophy lecture yesterday. Dr Stephen Law was lecturing. He's an agnostic, from the University of London. Clever chap.

He lectured us on a theory of the Evil God. (I mentioned in the Xbox360 that if God existed, he must be either incompetant, or Evil, due to all the suffering and pain in the world). Basically, what he said was that there is just as much proof that there is just as much evidence that God is an Evil God, as there is evidence of him being good.

He prooved this rather convingly by mirroring all the evidence of the good God.

Fascinating stuff, but his theory is kinda hard to condense... I wish I had taken notes now... Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frd,

maybe, just perhaps, your problem is religion, not God. You speak of it a lot. Religion is what the pharasees practice, you know the ones who crucified Jesus. God is what you need, not rules and regulations. Once you are able to find him, he will give you peace and he will direct your path. God is not evil, he is love in the most purest form. The times when you see in the word that he showed rath, is when someone was coming against his children. I worry about you because the Bible says that all sin is forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Dangerous place to be. I can see by your writing that you are an intelligent person, how interesting that you don't understand that God gave you life and the intelligence that you possess, and that he can take it from you. Still praying for you, Because whether you believe or not prayer moves the hand of God and he does love you. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one thing heard today.

Belief unites peole, Religion divides them.

People may believe in a God but religion is breaking up the beliefs to make them look like they are the choen one by God. If you believe in God why should you follow a certai religion. If you don't then its your opinion and no one has the right to change that opinion except you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FRD- Funny thing is that you say you don't believe in God,
but your open to the believe he is as long as he is evil instead of
good. How sad. Sad


HM- God sent his son (Jesus) into the world, not to condemn it but to save it. Jesus was not religious, he came against those who were. he came to show us all how to love and because he has the heart of God, this is also what God is. The word talks about the church, as being God's people, the ones who choose to live for him, not a certain religion or denomination. If people could only understand it isn't about church, it isn't about what you do, it isn't about a certain religion, it is about your own personal relationship with God. in the end that is all that matters.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hes talking about something different
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holymonkey wrote:
Just one thing heard today.

Belief unites peole, Religion divides them.


Yup. I have no problem with people believing. None at all. But I always find myself disgusted by the actions of those who feel that they are so right they need to kill others. The Crusades, the recent suicide bombings. It makes me sad, and I feel sick to my stomach every time I hear about it. I know can't read news papers and I have to change over due to all the "sin" that is being caused by those who feel they are on the path to righteousness. Worse thing is, they belive what they are doing is right.

Its like I say, if God was so good, so powerful, so loving... why would he let this happen? I just can't handle the fact that God is mysetious, or whatever, nor can I accept the free will argument. Some of these people believe that God wants them to do it (mostly the muslim bombers). That's not free will, thats almost being subserviant.

"FRD- Funny thing is that you say you don't believe in God,
but your open to the believe he is as long as he is evil instead of
good. How sad. "

No. That's not what I meant. What I said was there is just as much evidence for God being evil. Thats not to say that he is, only that its a possibility. I don't belive God is good or bad. I believe that he just isn't. He's not there. *shrug*
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think of religion as a blanket for everyone. Everyone believes in him, everyone trusts him, he's there in case you need something to comfort you. But at the end of the day, its just a piece of fabric. It amounts to almost nothing.

God has never probably will never stop something. Think about it, if he gave people free will then when someone goes to kill someone else, God can't stop them. I guess you could pray for others to change, but I have found that to not work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

omg i think that was the longest and non spam post i ever seen wilverine post Shocked
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